tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6562217094974761636.post3109943890561210447..comments2022-11-02T05:28:16.949-04:00Comments on Check Your Premises: The Atlas Society loses a key voiceHenry Scuoteguazzahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17062216080138678023noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6562217094974761636.post-79843715097267707382008-12-27T15:52:00.000-05:002008-12-27T15:52:00.000-05:00Steve, I agree with you. Tolerance, benevolence, e...Steve, I agree with you. Tolerance, benevolence, etc. aren't ends in themselves nor should be expressions of altruism. I do think these virtues can improve the receptivity of our message. I also think it's an issue of personal style (for the lack of a better word). In other words even if these traits didn't help sell our ideas I'd still exhibit them as expressions of values that I feel are important.Henry Scuoteguazzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17062216080138678023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6562217094974761636.post-76756275540092289722008-12-27T10:37:00.000-05:002008-12-27T10:37:00.000-05:00The supposed values of tolerance, benevolence, gen...The supposed values of tolerance, benevolence, generosity of spirit, being a good listener, etc. apparently have become an issue. I think that an understanding of a proper role for these values is needed. Clearly they are not an unalloyed good. <BR/><BR/>At this point, I think they are an aspect of rationality - an orientation to other people in order to learn if their values and statements are such that dealing with them would further one's own values.<BR/><BR/>I don't see how they can be ends in themselves. That would be altruistic and self-defeating. Properly understood, I think they will fade away as they are now understood and practiced.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6562217094974761636.post-29358020475779104392008-10-18T21:22:00.000-04:002008-10-18T21:22:00.000-04:00Please place a comment here, that I may be notifie...Please place a comment here, that I may be notified of your further remarks.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02479600882274172677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6562217094974761636.post-10835715388117783002008-10-18T19:49:00.000-04:002008-10-18T19:49:00.000-04:00Richard,I'm glad you take my point about reading t...Richard,<BR/><BR/>I'm glad you take my point about reading too much into Kelley's performance. It's obvious however that we still disagree on whether TAS in general is mistaken or not in it's basic approach. If anything I think ARI's spokesmen have elements of rationalism. Meanwhile they accuse TAS of subjectivism and feel it's a badge of honor to be called rationalist by subjectivists. I'll have more to say on this down the road.Henry Scuoteguazzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17062216080138678023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6562217094974761636.post-75513889426815880602008-10-18T13:01:00.000-04:002008-10-18T13:01:00.000-04:00I agree that it was a bit of a stretch to interpre...I agree that it was a bit of a stretch to interpret Kelley's lackluster appearance on that video as exemplary of inner rot. Within any group, the members (and their articles) will have varying degrees of skill and knowledge. There will be mistakes as well. It remains, in general, that where TAS is founded on erroneous epistemological principles, ARI is not. This shows in both the actions each group pursues and in the articles they produce.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02479600882274172677noreply@blogger.com